Parents charge cronyism

" As far as anyone can tell, Fr. Murphy didn't even bother advertising the position in any academic publications. With all of the talent available in this economy, he chooses someone close to him. Look, everyone knows this smells, and doesn't add up. It's really sad. "

" The candidate for the new principal is the cousin of the newly appointed Director of Religious Education at St. Saviour. That doesn't look good. "

" And at Holy Child Jesus in Queens, Father Murphy's prior parish, the wife of his present business manager at Saint Saviour's (who also held the same position at Hold Child Jesus) was hired as the Director of Religious Education. Their is a history of cronyism which unfortunately is repeating itself "

" I'm sure the new principal is highly qualified and a decent human being...

WHen you speak of cronyism think about who the President of the home school association is, the daughter of the 8th grade teacher, and the sister of another former teacher....HOw come you don't smell that!! "

" How do you all have the audacity to praise Mr. Flannagan when each and every one of you have bad mouthed him many times over the years?
I just don;t get it!

Why are you all so afraid of change?

It's a shame that Ms. Murphy, you all rememember her, (the former libraian, who Flannagan let go shortly before she was supposed to retire) isn't here to tell you her feelings toward Flannagan
WHo got the job after her? Oh yea thats right, Ms. S. "

" Another former alum (or should I say Bernadette), the Home School President, who is elected, is a non-paying volunteer job. The principal position and the DRE position are paying jobs. Cronyism involves hiring and paying your friends for positions, such as corrupt Business Managers. Unfortunately, it appears you may not have been paying attention in school much at Saint Saviours because you don't seem to understand the concept of cronyism. "

" Another former alum and Get Real offer amazing insight like the new principal is a "really decent human being" and "we're all afraid of change." Wow, is this really William F. Buckley Jr posting? The pastor is misleading everyone in the press and in documents - and it's proven. There is a price to pay for those actions, and if you think a pastor is above the law and moral behavior, I have a 1973 Dodge Charger ready for you to time travel back to a year you are more comfortable in. "

" What hyprcrites! For years, I have heard you moan and complain about Mr. Flanagan...even writing letlers about him to his superiors. You finally got what you wanted - a new principal, one that is highly qualified and who seems the perfect answer to all your complaints!
Sure, 25 years is a long time, but now it is time for someone who will bring a new perspective to the school and community. Stop the bellyaching and be thankful there was someone -- the pastor -- willing to go on a limb for the betterment of the school. "

" Sick Tired.....that certainly seems to sum up both you and your perspective. Please forward me all of the letters (or letlers) I sent to Mr. Flanagan's superiors that you and your minion (though I suspect its actually just you using different names) keep refering to. Perhaps if Father Murphy actually had visited the school over the past couple of years he could properly claim to have insight into the school. He didn't and he can't. And about the only thing I am now thankful for about my pastor is that six years ends next June "

" People may not like Mr. Flanagan but what he has done in St. Saviour over the years nobody can compete, people always complain about other people but when the truth hits you in the face then you come to reality that he really has done the best that a principal can do for a catholic school that has never been in danger of closing and test scores being great. When there is no reason for change then change shouldn't take place. Therefore whoever thinks change is a good thing with St. Saviour has not been told the truth, or has a problem understanding the truth. "

" Sick Tired - we got 690 signatures saying you are wrong, and 2 months of protests. What do you have? Nothing. And listen, and listen good - a real priest would have met his flock and heard their concerns. He would have treated our St. Saviour family with respect and dignity. He would never, ever have misrepresented or lied in documents concerning any employee or parishioner. A real priest would never divide a parish by setting up one group against the other. A real priest would spend our limited resources wisely, not self-indulgently. "

" Who can blame you Saint Saviour parents for wanting a good Catholic education in which Christian values play a role in all aspects of the curriculum? As any parent knows, religious education begins at home with good, decent values. With all the mudslinging, name calling, rumor spreading, hate mongering, slanderous/libelous remarks you have invoked over the past months, your children will need all the help they can get, as your good Christian values apparently have gone to hell in a handbasket. As for those of you who have gone to St. Saviours and have sung the praises of its beloved principal, ask for a tuition refund, it's obvious the religious(not theory, perhaps, but certainly the the practice of it) aspect of your education is sorely lacking. "

" Witness.....thankfully we have all been raised with good and decent values which allow us to challenge wrong and unjust decisions made by anyone, including our Pastor. My children will be fine, thank you. I only hope that if you have any children, they are as amazing and decent as my two children. As made readily apparent over the last several years at our Parish, a mother's intuition is always right. Particularly, when she deems her child unworthy to hold such a sacred and important position. "

" When you get to your final destination, make sure you tell the gatekeeper you were a firm believer in "the end justifies the means". I'm sure Old Scratch will be glad you were. "

" To John H
Consider yourself lucky the adage "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" doesn't apply to your family. (Unless, of course, this is not absolute truth, just the biased version of truth you seem to readily spout). Wow, mudslinging is contagious! "

" Witness - the pastor has made misstatements against parishioners and an employee and are documented. You have nothing but empty words. Your concern for children is appears insincere. Do you have any? "

" Mob Mentality.....I guess when you have nothing else to say that is intelligent you attack someone's children. This confirms that you must be Rita, as your time at our Parish was nothing but an attack on our children and complete incompetency, as confirmed in writing by you following the May 2008 communcion "

" To John H, Cindy B, Parent of 3, John G, Sybil, or whoever you are choosing to presently write as (there are so many, it's hard to keep track)--
Your last comment proves the point of so many of us who see in you what you can't see in yourselves--the inability to see something for what is is... if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, sometimes you have to accept it's simply a duck! You are reading underhandedness and malice into every breath Father Murphy or anyone who doesn't agree with you takes. YOU don't like what was done, or how it was done, or when it was done, or where it was done, so it must be wrong. And when someone makes a valid point, you find another angle from which to attack. You are letting paranoia cloud your vision. Listen, and listen good...I did not attack your children, I attacked YOU and your "Christian Values" or lack, thereof. And you know what, so ends my communication with you, as quite frankly, a verbal sparring match with someone who espouses drivel, is a waste of my time. But before I go, I will perform an act of kindness for you and save you the time and energy the nasty response you will be inclined to send will require...I believe it would be along the lines of "oh, you couldn't stand the heat, so you got out of the kitchen." I'm sure your response would be more vile, as I've read them all and your mean streak should be addressed by a therapist, but you've more important matters on your mind, you know, so little time, so many to slander... "

" Funny you should mention kitchens Rita. Seems we have has some really nice new ones built at our Parish, as was done at Holy Child Jesus as well. "

" It's amazing how much people can say when they have NO idea what is really going on. If YOUR job was ripped out from underneath you, even after you received a good review - and the required process prior to dismissal wasn't followed - you would likely feel the way we do. I have tremendous Christian values. NO ONE has the right to judge us unless you have been in our shoes. Between the slander, the inappropriate spending, the kitchens, the nonsense - I thought this was St. Saviour, not Holy Child of Jesus. Don't you dare question our values. It is our values that force us to fight injustice. If we let the nonsense continue then we are just as bad as the perpetrators. For people who hate us SO badly, you have way too much time on your hands to blog. "

" Maybe the ACLU should be called in. Even the most hardened atheist could see that this is just bad form. You don't dump a guy who is one year shy of his proper retirement. Even if he's not your cup of tea, you give him a watch and a cake, and everyone moves on. C'mon! "

" Just think you are getting a prinicapl who is a parent herself, is a proven leader, is honest, has great social skills and is well groomed, you have just hit the lotterty.. "

" We have in our midst another bad priest. It seems they have been floating around the church in one way or another. Murphy brought in his friends. You can't deny that. No interviews for the position. You can't deny that. Redoing your personal kitchen at the last two parishes he has been at. You can't deny that. Asking for personal meetings with individuals who object, but not meeting with the parents as a whole, makes Murphy a coward or poor leader. I'll leave the flock to pick, but you can't deny the fact he has done this. Flanagan has done a great job. You can't deny that. Being one year away from his retirement this doesn't look good on a labor front. You can't deny that. Change for the sake of change is just change. We all bemoan when our gov't installs change because some new politician comes in and makes changes just to make it seems like they are doing something. You can't deny that. But we at the parish don't just need something. We would like the strong community and "noted" school that is there for more than seven, eight decades.
A slow transition (at least for one more year) would be the the best way to go and be more Christian like. Murphy is just a politician in priest garb. He takes care of himself and friends to the high life, preaches what he doesn't practice and then touts his accomplishments to those who already are standing behind his podium. We have seen this before in a past monsignor. The one who got the youth council kicked out. Obviously, children drained him too (Murphy reincarnated). How very sad when men who are suppose to follow Jesus's teachings find the most innocent "draining".

When they said St. Saviour is a close community, i think Murphy interpreted this as "closed community" since it is being run like a dictatorship. Father, this is our parish, not yours. Being chosen to lead doesn't make you a leader. You must act like a leader (not hide behind your excuses and lies to the press). So, yes I am disappointed in you and your leadership (your words Father not mine) Father, convince me otherwise. I saw the note you wrote my mom. You have sealed my opinion of you.

Edward A. Puydak
St. Saviour - Salutatorian - Class of 1986
One of eight Puydak's to attend St. Saviours
Family in the parish since 1910 "

" St. Saviour 2009-2010 Curiculum:

Spelling Tests- each student will write the chosen words on picket signs

History- each student will write history papers by digging into Father Murphy's past and sharing the results with the whole school.

Science- class will consist of looking into the closets for skeletons of those who dared to suggest that Flanagan should be removed.

Math- the classes will be designed to figure out how much cash does St. Saviour owe Flanagan? and who pays? The school? The church?

Religion- Let's rename the school St. Flanagan's. Start a new cult and worship him.

We can also have a goodbye party for Flanagan. But to be fair, we should make him pay to go to the party. "

" Sebastian,
Now I understand why you support FLannigan, you are just like him, you are a little man, who obviously takes great pride in belittling former alums. You are arrogant, and so full of your self. i graduated last year and like most of my classmates, as well as other kids in the school hate that Twiddle Dee/Twiddle Dum Flannigan. He is a very self-centered man (and I use that term lightly). Unlike you and your friends, my parents did not force me to write this or force me to walk around wiht picket signs, get a life
Former alum "william F. Buckley, Jr. "

" Advanced math/explorers class: Students will calculate how much money Mr. Flanagan should return to the school and church.

Extra Credit: Students will try to figure out when a non-renewal of a contract constitues "being fired". "

" To bad the lot of you don't spend your time and effort on important issues, like getting him interested in Jenny for 20, "

" Maybe the real issue driving some of you is the fact that you don't want to face the fact that your child should not be in mainstream school and afraid that a new administration would force a change that is in the best interset of you kids. "

" will the real Bernadette please stand up! "

" Thank you, "former alum", you have hit the nail right on the head concerning most, if not all of the "Team Flanagan" players who post comments. They are rude, arrogant, belittling, often spewing out and out lies behind the safety of their keyboards. They claim they are fighting for what is right, what is good, yet their true agenda appears to be a smear campaign against Father Murphy. It seems they are using this issue as an excuse--it's not that they don't like his decision, they don't like him. Don't take their meanness to heart, to cut someone down who disagrees with you is merely a sign of insecurity. Pity them. As for poor Mr. Flanagan, he, too, should not put too much credence in their support, it really is not about him anymore, but about trying to ruin the reputation of a man who doesn't agree with them. "

" ......social promotion has ended in the public & private schools, isn't it about time it ended in catholic school as well, especially St. Saviours. Marua Lorenzen is "man" enough for the task. "

" Rita.....I thought you said you were done commenting....now you appear as "As I see It"....won't you ever just take credit for your own posts ?....enjoy your vacation next week "

" Will the real Rita please stand up! "

" Re: John H's response to "Another Former Alum", July 10
You were correct in stating a PTA officer position is not a paid position, thereby rendering the word chronyism inaccurate when describing a PTA president who is related to a school employee, in this case an 8th grade teacher. Cronyism it may not be -- it is at best, a conflict of interest ; it is, at worst, unethical. PTA officers have a great deal of influence on where raised funds are directed and how they are to be spent. Whether you are naive or misinformed, I don't know, but you can be assured this is one step away from cronyism. Of course, no one is accusing either the PTA president or the teacher of any wrongdoing -- unfounded accusations, innuendo, assumptions etc. would not be very Christian like. But I'm sure you know this already. "

" Parishioner.....what about the fact that the HSB President is elected ? You seem to have either conveniently overlooked that or are naive and misinformed. Given your apparent understanding of the the definition of cronyism, I suspect you will have to acknowledge that what has happened at Saint Saviour and Holy Child Jesus in neither unfounded accussations, innuendo nor assumptions. "

" To John H: Sure the President of the Home School Board is elected, but by who? Oh yeah, by the parents via Flanagan's bullying tactics. "

" Been there seen that....OK....so now you admit that the BSA President is both a volunteer position and an elected position. Thanks for proving that your claim of cronyism in connection with the BSA President is devoid of merit. "

" Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary defines the term cronyism as "partiality to cronies, especially as evidenced in the appointment of political hangers on to office, without regard to their qualifications". The last 5 words, WITHOUT REGARD TO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, should be enough to put an end to your insufferable attempts to liken the appointment of Maura Lorenzen to the act of cronyism. She is a highly qualified professional with a proven track record of success in the educational field. So stop your shouts of "cronyism" and start shouting "hallelujah" while counting your lucky stars our children will be blessed with an outstanding principal. "

" What is it about Fr. Murphy that attracts a fanatical and cult-like band of followers, ie. Rita, who resort to multiple noms de plum to vouch for him? "

" TO: Parishoner & Parent: Well said. Hallelujah, hallelujah "

" Oh, Gertrude, there's nothing fanatical or cult-like about our admiration for, or trust in, Father Murphy. He simply is a good human being whose heart is always in the right place. You, of all people, should understand the desire to stand up for what one believes is right. Those of us who back Father Murphy's decision choose not to waste tax dollars and police power by counter picketing. I personally think having young children picketing outside while carrying signs with messages they most likely don't even understand is a little too Jonestownish for my taste. As for me, I don't even like grape Kool Aide. "

" To Gertrude: Correction: Its Noms de PLUME. Funny how Father Murphy's followers are not picketing chruch grounds, hounding an ailing Bishop, sending anonymous mailings & dragging young children into this. Instead, they are praying for your souls & asking God to consider forgiving your sins.. "

" Time to get real and listen up Team Flanagan
It seems to many that this situation has gone from bad to worse and presently borders on the insane. You are perceived very negatively by many of your fellow parishioners. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe the reasons for the decision were not made public in an effort to avoid embarrassment and humiliation.and out of respect for the time Mr. Flanagan spent doing a good job? Times change and what once worked does not always continue to work. When one person or group of people reign for too long it can have a negative effect on people and institutions. In a government we often see a benevolent despot turn into a malignancy. History corroborates this .
It appears to me that Fr. Murphy has acted as a gentleman every step of the way. He has made a decision and has not gotten into verbal sparring with any of you no matter how hard you have tried to provoke him. I am sure his prayers include all of you each day. SSES has been run for far too long by Mr. Flanagan and his groupies, many of whom seem to have been put into positions of seeming authority based on their ability to mimic bobblehead dolls -shake their heads up and down while saying, "oh yes Jim of course Jim , anything you want Jim."
Fr. Murphy is not obligated to confer with the parents or the parishioners with regard to his decisionmaking process as it relates to the hiring and firing of a principal. Your principal was not fired, his contract was not renewed. It is a shame that so many have resorted to mudslinging that others now feel the need to respond in a way that you can relate to. You have acted like a bunch of spoiled brats. Scream and have a temper tantrum and expect to get your way. The Diocese has responded exactly how one should deal with such behavior, ignore it. To do otherwise would encourage this type of behavior in the future. Catholic school is not a public school it is like a private club, you choose to belong you play by the rules. If you don't like the rules, join a different club. You are always free to go to Berkeley Carroll or one of the other excellent private schools in the area. Or for that matter one of the excellent public schools in the area. Surely they would love to have you and your misguided activism. You choose to send your children to St Saviour, so you are bound by Fr. Murphys decisions. Suck it up and shut up already. You have torn your parish apart and have been disruptive, rude and obnoxious for far too long. The reign of King James is over!!!!!!!!!! Give Ms. Lorenzen the chance she deserves. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Fr. Murhpy supporters are many, fortunately or unfortunately, we have far too much class to get down in the mud with you. Hopefully when the dust clears you will be able to heal yourselves. One can only hope and pray! "

" ...oh and don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out! "

" I find it interesting, if not disturbing, that Gertrude compares those of us who back our pastor's decision to fanatical cult members. It is those who are opposed to his decision, in fact, who are listening to and taking hearsay, rumor, innuendo and straight out lies as gospel (as in according to John). There are none so blind as those that will not see... "

" Was Mr. Flanagan's position as President of the 50/50 Club a volunteer or elected position....or both..You know, the students /parents raise money(ie bake sales) for school functions( ie school dances) they get to keep 50% and Jim Flangan pockets the other 50%...Oh what a tangled web jim flanagan has woven "

" Parishioner and Parent....do your kids attend the School or do you send them to the School of Education. Have you know shouted Hallelujah and registered them for the fall ? I have yet to attack Maura Lorenzen's credentials but even you must admit that running an elementary school is a lot different then running a day care and camp. I guess friends get to learn on the job. "

" Team Murphy.....that's right....that's how we all raise our money for our own personal kitchens, condominiums in Florida, salaries for shady business managers, constant renovations, re-decorations of our offices and living spaces, upkeep of the grounds, etc....I can't believe it took you this long to figure it all out "

" Didn't you know, Joe, Father Murphy aka "The Human Turtle" is capable of carrying all of his parish living quarters --past and present --around on his back for his own personal use in the future? Why else would he want to make improvements on property that is not now, nor ever will be, his own? I don't suppose it has crossed your narrow mind that all parish priests/pastors, present and future, had, have, and will continue to have use of these spaces. And the way you all keep bringing up the kitchen, you would think Father Murphy had Emeril Lagasse tucked up there as his own personal chef! Be careful with your slanderous name calling, the can of worms you may be opening may very well be your own. "

" I have to say that when I was sobbing in Father Murphy's office, pleading for our principal to be given a chance to right whatever Fr. Murphy thought was not quite right - I did notice how great the office looked. Kudos to Maura Lorenzen on a job well done! "

" Flan Again while you were in the office didn't you notice the 14 karat faucets and commode? Did you not see the caviar and lobster being delivered? Oh and the Bentley parked outside with vanity plates Dan the Man? No I am sure you didn't Why, because we all know they don't exist. Even a priest needs to eat, sleep, attend to bodily functions, relax and have a home that is a safe haven. Whatever happened to a church being a sanctuary? Your ability to use the English language to present your point is superb. Kudos to you whoever you are. Your use of satire to show just how assinine this has become and to what depths this has deteriorated is perfect. No one has a lifetime guarantee on a job, not even St. James. "

" Please help me find my blogger self...am I Bernadette, Joe, Jim, Rita, John H., past present or future alum, parent/parishioner or the infamous Bernadette...I'm so confused as to who my TRUE IDENTITY is, a new blog is in order "

" Flan again....obviously if you were in Father Murphy's office you were one of the precious few....I hope you didn't watch him eat cause I know how much that bothers him...Kudos to all of Team Murphy....perhaps you will have enough to field badminton team "

" After glowing reviews of the prior pastors, Holy Child Jesus' church history says this:

"Fr. Daniel Murphy’s pastoral assignment from 2000-2004 reflected the world-wide shortage of priests. For the first time in our long history, lay administrators were hired to handle the day-to-day operation of the parish. Extensive renovation took place in the Rectory and the parish grounds were lavishly landscaped. Quite unexpectedly, Fr. Murphy was transferred to St. Saviour’s in Brooklyn . . ." Fr. King, pastor, specifically allowed this unkind statement to be publicly made.

There is no "Team Murphy." This is not a game. The Diocese has not ignored this, it has been featured on its own TV station and newspaper. It's own sponsored arbitration found Flanagan's contract rights were violated and found against the pastor. That means something and has eroded confidence that the pastor is fair. After closing 30+ failed school, the Bishop now has a pastor cause him serious problems with a healthy school. The statements about the pastor's role fly directly opposed to the Bishop's own words about parental involvement. "Parents can never be left out of the equation. Without them the education process would be truly deficient." "

" Legal Eagle....so when Father Murphy leaves our Parish next June (or sooner) he won't take all the furniture with him and our new pastor won't have to ask his new parish to reimburse us like we had to reimburse Holy Child Jesus ? "

" Dear Davis & all Team Flanagan members: Would you like some cheese with that WHINE. If you can't stand the heat get out of the KITCHEN- the one decorated so tastefully by Maura Lorenzen. "

" I hear when Lebron James' contract expires next summer, he is going to have kids picket the school. "

" And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black. "

" Children got to work on penmenship by writing those god-awful pickett signs;

Arts & Crafts stores in Park Slope had huge increases in revenue from the sale of oat tag & magic markers;

Kids received a lot of exercise by walking the picket line "

" After all this mud slinging my skin has a healthy shine......

I find it ironic that those supporting Murphy state how bad the Flanagan supporters must be because we dig up dirt, dare to challenge our pastor and a whole mess of other things. My favorite quote is
"'concerning most, if not all of the "Team Flanagan" players who post comments. They are rude, arrogant, belittling, often spewing out and out lies behind the safety of their keyboards"....
It seems both sides are doing it. I'm not one to say "when in Rome" so for those who want to take the high road, please take the high road. Don't take the low road and then claim nobility on the high road. If you are taking the high road, PUT YOUR NAME on it and stand behind your words.

Another favorite comment was
"Those of us who back Father Murphy's decision choose not to waste tax dollars and police power by counter picketing. I personally think having young children picketing outside while carrying signs with messages they most likely don't even understand is a little too Jonestownish for my taste."

Heaven forbid this country ever chooses to save money over not protesting just causes. I could only imaging Moses telling God that "well this exodus is going to costs us a lot of money and lives, can we not go please. Our taxes are just going to go up to pay the Pharaoh's police"

As far as the kids, they are going to a good school, they know what the signs mean. Also, Jesus listened to the children, why don't you.

Mudslinging aside, WE Flanagan supports aren't spewing out lies. We did our homework. We discovered Murphy's past and we also know that Flanagan wasn't given due process (not our words, an independent board said that). WE know Murphy is misusing his power to just get his way, is trying to make more money on the back of the parents and just want his friends installed (if not friends close associates who are "yes" people). Why make the announcement after the non-refundable deposits for the next year. Why was there no interview process. BUT I have already explained this as stated in my previous comment, WHERE I GAVE MY FULL NAME.

I DID NOTICE that for all the Murphy supporters NOT ONE of you gave rebuttal to my comments. SO you can mudsling, but not argue facts.

My skin will continue to have a healthy shine.

EDward A. Puydak
Salutatorian - Class of 1986
One of Eight Puydak's to attend St. Saviour
Family in parish since 1910 "

" Just asking - who is 43 or so, lives with his father in WT, has no kids and does not attend mass, but has a lot to say about the situation. "

" Darn shame parents were not given a mediation process option when they were told by King James once you leave you may NEVER come back. Adios Jim "

" Hmmm, Edward, where to begin, where to begin? First of all, who are you to appoint yourself judge and jury on anyone's actions or motives? "We did our homework, we discovered Murphy's past..." Oh, do tell Barnaby Jones, who were your sources? Disgruntled former employees from Holy Child Jesus, anonymous sources, I'm sure. Did you bother to verify anything before passing them on as gospel truth? By the way, did you bother to investigate how long Father King's tenure was at Holy Child Jesus? Two and a half years. Even shorter than Father Murphy's. Perhaps Father Murphy's "sudden departure " from there had less to do with him and more to do with the parishioners. Father Murphy (or "Murphy", as you so disrespectfully refer to him ) is misusing his power to get his own way, so say you. Yet again, another ignorant statement or out and out lie. How many times do you people have to be told it is within a pastor's power to appoint a principal??? You claim an independent board found Mr. Flanagan was not given due process. Which independent board, the independent board of disgruntled parents?? The diocese denied his request for arbitration for being unfounded!! How do you expect anyone to believe the children being exploited on the picket line understand the concept of cronyism when some of the adults who post here don't!! Do you honestly believe Jesus would condone the sign "our parish is divided and hurting because of YOU" ?? Especially since it was He who said, let he without sin, cast the first stone!! You confuse me with your contradictions. You say you wouldn't mind paying taxes for a good cause, then you express fear over increased tuition (even if it is for a good cause--an excellent education? Okay, all you henny pennies out there, race to your keyboards and post "see, tuition is going to be raised, we have a reliable source telling us so". I know nothing of tuition, I was just making a point, so don't get your feathers ruffled. As for not leaving my name, I like how it bothers you all too much, so I will continue to use pen names. "

" To Edward A.Puydak,
You may be enjoying the healthy shine of your skin, but what about the blood on your hands? "

" Mike....how come the continued Wizard of Oz references.....big Judy Garland fan ? I guess the stories we heard from your former driver are true. "

" You are already going to know who I am just by responding.

"Father Murphy's "sudden departure " from there had less to do with him and more to do with the parishioners." Your quote. Wow, that is one hell of a statement from you. WHY WOULD HIS PARISHIONERS have asked him to leave? Please explain your words. That kind of just backs up what I'm saying.

Didnt get my info from Father King. But are you implying that Father King can't be trusted or that his short tenure there means less for him as a priest. Another interesting statement. What did you mean with this sentence. Are you stating not all priest tell the truth? And most people are not disgruntled. Some people just speak out about the things they see that don't seem right.

My point on his past is that it seems to be repeating itself. It seems he has a pattern. I'd worry about "leaders" going from place to place doing the same things which seems to be the reason they have to go from place to place. Why does he get people disgruntled. That is the questions I am really starting to focus on. He is a priest, isn't he suppose to work well with everyone? And a priest explaining themselves could actually be used to well, maybe educate his flock? Missed opportunity here to maybe unite the parish. Regardless on which side you are on, shouldn't we expect more from our priest. And if we shouldn't expect more then we must approach his decision like we would approach a laymen's decision that we find questionable.

Also, since you are so close to him, please explain his comments that he finds Children "draining". And who would ever think he has children's best interest at heart after such a statement.

And the idea that kids dont understand since some adults don't word it properly, if we let attitudes like your be the prevalent one, then they will never know the difference. You would be surprised what kids know nowadays. Try talking to them. They are pretty dam smart

Yes, its within his power to appoint a principal. WE do know that. It has been expressed enough. People want to know why. Politicians have the authority to do many things, don't you ever question their motives. At least you can vote them out of office. Because Murphy is a priest are you saying we should never questions him.

An inquiry by the diocese's Office of the Superintendent found that proper procedures weren't followed.

I have not nor will not bash Maura Lorenzen. She will have a hard enough time at her new job.

Jesus would understand and He would TALK with US to bring us together. Isnt that what we learned about Him? It is a very true sign since currently the parish is divided because of one man's actions. And would Jesus Condone it? Maybe he would. how do we know. I would assume Jesus has good inside info privy to neither of us.

No one here is talking about casting stones and being perfect. the parents asked for an explanation and were told that weren't entitled to one. Then petty stuff was release by Father Murphy.

Tuition raises will be inevitable, but the Bishop did state in his new vision for the school that they must remain affordable. Dramatic increases in tuition should not happen. Especially when the school already makes its costs back and is self reliant. I did point out that the attitude of "not wasting tax payer money" over fighting for a good cause was ludicrous. You really can't compare the two concepts of excellent education and freedom of speech or right to protest. You can get educated without the freedoms.

I would want to know if the school is already self sufficient, why does tuition need to go up and where will that extra money go.

Whether you use you name or not i really don't care. Just thought I'd put it out there for people to practice what they preach. WE were all taught to take responsibility for what we say. AS a catholic and an individual with a proper upbringing I stand up for my actions and words. I would understand you would do that as well and that if we ever met, would be able to introduce ourselves and have a healthy debate about the many irregularities of this situation.

Funny part is, you still never gave rebuttal to my first posted comment. it seems no one can't tell me that the ongoing are not happening. In other words, things can't be denied. Smells funky to me.

But like I said before, I take the high road.
ed P "

" Blood on my hands.

Loved the comment.

You mean for the audacity to use the intelligence God gave me and challenge those that may be doing something unjust.

Isn't that exactly what we are all called to do?

I hate to bring up a reference where more people should have challenged the church to do something proper. "

" Ding Dong the witch is dead "

" now take him out and bury him "

" Joe,
Wrong again, Joe. Or should I say Mole. We see your true colors shining through, we see your true colors, that's why we pity you. You are a pathetic excuse for a Christian, Catholic and human being. And the likes of you is why the tides are turning against you and yours. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Give my regards to Old Scratch Joe and don't forget the aloe, I hear it works great on burns! "

" Hey So bloggin confused, did you find your way yet....maybe u just need to click ur ruby slippers and follow the yellow brick road.... "

" Oh, one more thing Schmo, oops, Joe. You are correct in thinking the Liars, Shysters and Bores poster was the same poster who answered YOUR Craigslist posting. Funny how YOU got the Wizard of Oz connection! Thank you for showing your hand, it makes my job that much easier.
Regards,
Liars, Shysters and Bores/Legal Eagle "

" Sorry Mike. Your investigative skills apparently match your business management skills. I am not the criagslist poster but have been following that too. Thanks for the credit though. "

" Psst, Joe, hey Joe, noticed how Legal Eagle threw in the Cyndi Lauper reference for ya? Next up is your all time favorite...Bette Midler!! "

" Sorry Mike...are you upset about being outed ? "

" And we're sure she won't forget Liza Minelli, Joe! "

" Great news, Joe. Just checked Key Food's circular, Joe. Canned worms are this week's special, Joe. Hurry, Joe, hurry. Stock up on them, Joe. Just be sure to label them with your name, Joe. "

" Inappropriate name-caller "Shyster", etc. you seem to have some trouble understand the sign "Our Parish is Divided and Hurting Because of You". So please allow me to translate if for you.

Who fired the principal without proper procedures and then refused to meet with the parents who pleasded for some explanation after the first installment of non-refundable tuition?

If Fr. Murphy were a true Pastor of his Flock or even an able administrator, he would have met with the parents and given some explanation for his actions, but he did not.

So please tell me WHO is responsible for shattering our parish? "

" So it must have been tough all those years working with your brothers Mike....did they know ? "

" Not tough at all, Joe. It's common knowledge I only have eyes for you, you great big lug ya! "

" My very own secret admirer....hope the boss won't be too angry at you when he hears "

" To Edward Puydak,
I'm going to skip the smart aleck retorts I have in my mind and just respond to some inaccuracies that appeared in your reply to me. I'd like to think I'm a good judge of character, and I believe you are sincere in your wanting to fully understand the tug of war/war of words that has erupted in the parish. First let me clarify some of what I wrote. If you reread, you will see I wrote "Perhaps Father Murphy's "sudden departure" from there had less to do with him and more to do with the parishioners." (The key word being PERHAPS). My statement was in response to Davis' post (July 17, 2009 6:06 am)which quoted (allegedly) from Holy Child Jesus' church history which stated in part, "Quite unexpectedly, Father Murphy was transferred to St. Saviours in Brooklyn." This statement followed "Extensive renovation took place in the Rectory and the parish grounds were lavishly landscaped." (The implication being, I believe, this was the reason for Fr. Murphy's transfer.) As for Father King, I know absolutely nothing about him, have never met him. I merely mentioned him because his name came up in Davis' post. Davis wrote, "Fr. King, pastor, specifically allowed this unkind statement to be publicly made." I simply googled Father King's name and came across a recent article (a very benign article, nothing scandalizing) about the different priests who were being installed at various parishes within the diocese. I think the article was dated May 2009. The article gave dates of his past assignments. I just found it curious that some people think there is something untoward about Fr. Murphy's "quite unexpected" departure from HCJ after 4 years when Fr. King served approximately 2 and a half years there. I don't know the circumstances of his departure, not would I venture to speculate. Please don't infer otherwise. I would be delighted to explain my loyalty to Fr. Murphy. Believe me, I am not some fanatical cult zombie, as some on this blog have intimated. It is not a blind faith. It is quite a lengthy story and I am pressed for time. I will not post it here, too many haters, and sad to say, I feel like I, too, was lured into the luridness. The devil must be dancing a jig of joy. I will explain why I really and truly believe Father Murphy's heart is in the right place and why I think the whole "children drain me" was totally blown out of proportion. I know him, and I know better. Blog to you soon! "

" Jim Flanagan Supporters: YOU have dug this very very deep hole for yourselves...when you picket/protest on religious grounds especially during mass it shows an enormous level of disrespect your parish. When you drag innocent young into it, it only suggests how morally debased you truly are. Now that the Team Murphy players are voicing their opnions, the temper tamtrums are fast and furious. Did all of you really think only one side of this story was going to be told? Keep digging, keecp looking into Fr. Murphy's past, keep making accusations at the people who have the audacity to support of Fr Murphy and/or Maura Lorenzen, keep trying to oust people's real names. You will continue to come up short and empty-handed as always. Look in the mirror, you will get your answer as to who is shattering our parish "

" Joe,
See earlier post. But here's one for the road...
Mind? Nah, go to www.saintsaviourchurch.org
to remind yourself what Saint Saviour Church is all about.
Note: This is only my opinion, but I think ALL of us should. "

" EDP
Whoops, I forgot one thing--I did not mean to imply the parishioners asked Father Murphy to leave. Maybe he wanted to leave them, or maybe it was simply a decision by the diocese. Same for Father King?? "

" I wondered what the Father Murphy supporters think that we should be doing. We write letters, no response. We ask questions, no response. After searching out the school that was the perfect fit for my two children taking them somewhere else is not an option. I just don't understand if Father Murphy followed the correct procedures when not renewing Mr. Flanagan's contract what would be the problem with being more transparent? If Ms. Lorenzen was indeed the best candidate wouldn't it be in both of their best interests (as well as the hurting families) to share the details of how she came to be chosen as the next Principal?

Sure, he does not HAVE to do this. It is not his obligation, but it just seems to me to be the right thing to do.

I would also like to respectfully ask that the silly juvenile name calling stop. It makes all of us look bad. "

" I just wanted to add that this bashing and outing has seem to become a fun sport for some of you. There is nothing fun about protesting and picketing and worrying about your children's education. "

" "…Welcome to St. Saviour’s Catholic Church

There is a very deep desire in all of us to find ourselves “home”. Home is that secure and peaceful place where we feel safe, not judged, unconditionally loved. Home is a place deep within our hearts where we experience our worth and value as a beloved child of God. Home is the place where we feel connected. Home is that place where they always welcome you, no matter what.

It is our deepest desire that your experience of St. Saviour Parish is an experience of home, a place where we communicate to you your dignity and worth – a place where you feel safe and secure. We at St. Saviour want to do all that we can do to make our parish family a place where all feel welcomed and loved.

Some people, for whatever reason, feel estranged from the family of the Catholic Church. They believe they no longer “fit in” because of divorce and remarriage or because of some past mistake which continues to make them feel shame or paralyzing guilt. IN ADDITION, SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT ESTRANGEMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE “TURNED OFF” DUE TO A LACK OF SENSITIVITY COMING FROM A CHURCH LEADER. And some people just don’t believe that the Catholic Church has anything to say to them…" "

" To clarify on the comment above; this is a quote taken from the website of saint saviour church.org. The full quote can be found there... "

" To Joe and All on this Site,
In my attempt to be flippant, I somehow gave Joe the impression I was Mike. I was in fact, the poster. In return, Joe said some very nasty, hurtful things to/about him, on this, a public forum. Things which are untrue. I take full responsibility for this and I sincerely apologize to Mike for my role in hurting him and his family. "

" Let's take a moment to focus on the task at hand. This is the 'Preserving The Vision" plan as outlined by Bishop DiMarzio:

1. What is the new paradigm for Catholic schools being developed by the Diocese of Brooklyn?
Over the last several years, parents have elected to send their child to the Catholic school that best meets the child’s needs. Sometimes this is not the local parish school but another Catholic school in the neighborhood or even a school close to parents’ place of employment. At the same time, schools have begun to develop stronger bonds within and across the community. The emerging paradigm is one that creates multiple relationships that extend beyond the parish to support and strengthen each Catholic school.

2. How is this new paradigm being developed?
This new paradigm is being developed through four initiatives that together form “Preserving the Vision.” First, we must root all that we do in prayer and reflection. As a people of faith, we are not entering into complex negotiations that will lead to compromises but rather a process of discernment, asking for the Lord’s grace to understand what His will is for us as a people. From this starting point of prayer, we will enter into a process of re-configuring and re-imagining our schools. This process will involve seven steps, including data analysis, local informational meetings, opportunity for feedback, introduction of proposed “plans” for each region of the diocese, a second opportunity for local consultation and the creation of a final, diocesan-wide road map for the future of our schools.

An additional component is the establishment of a “blue-ribbon panel” to review the data and ensure the integrity of our process. Following this process a plan for the alignment of our parishes and schools will emerge. This will establish a bond between every parish and school throughout the diocese.

Finally, we will introduce over a period of four years a new model of governance in our schools. This system of governance will empower competent lay leaders to take a limited, active role in the governance of our schools.

3. Why is the diocese undertaking “Preserving the Vision” at this time?
Since the paradigm of “multiple partnerships” has already begun to emerge over the last few years in a variety of ways, diocesan leaders wish to lead a strategic planning process that will allow us the opportunity to make proactive decisions to foster this paradigm in the final shape of the model in each school. Today, parents rightly apply a number of criteria when selecting a Catholic school for their child. A school’s curriculum and programs are often as important as the parish with which a particular school is associated. If Catholic schools are to continue to thrive they must be flexible enough to change and meet the modern needs of parents.

4. Is the current financial climate playing a role in this process?
The significant economic challenges that Catholic families face today require that the Church ensure that costs associated with Catholic elementary school education remain as affordable as possible. To do so, we must be good stewards of the resources available to us. This process will result in a more targeted expenditure of resources for the good of all children in Catholic schools.

5. Is declining enrollment at diocesan schools a factor in the need for change?
As a result of shifting demographics, enrollment in Catholic schools has significantly declined. Consequently approximately 16% of all currents seats in our Catholic elementary schools remain unfilled. This places a significant financial burden on remaining parents and the local parish. We need to undergo this strategic planning process in order to strengthen and preserve the mission of Catholic schools.

6. How will cultivating multiple partnerships ensure the future of Catholic schools?
Catholic schools already depend upon multiple partnerships. Two examples of such partnerships are the creation of school advisory boards and the involvement of donors and benefactors who generously raise scholarship money for our children. This process hopes to forge more partnerships within the broader community to ensure that our schools become viable, vital, excellent and enduring for many years to come.

7. What is the concept of two-tier governance?
The concept of two-tier governance is a model that is employed by many of our Catholic high schools. The purpose for introducing this new governance model over the next four years is to allow lay leaders the opportunity to give of their talent and expertise in strengthening the overall mission of each Catholic school through the responsible, limited exercise of governance over certain aspects of a school’s life.

This new role for lay leaders will strengthen the Catholic identity of each school by empowering the local clergy with the specific responsibility for the faith formation of our children. At the same time, it recognizes that the fiduciary responsibility for a school must be shared with the laity of the community.

Thus our schools will continue to be the very best choice for parents concerned with the faith formation and education of our children; at the same time it will enable our schools to rely upon the expertise of those in the community to ensure long-term viability.

8. Why is the diocese taking this approach of individual meetings with various groups in order to develop this paradigm for the future?
The diocese recognized that any effort to preserve the vision of Catholic education must be consultative and collaborative in nature. For this reason, we begin together in prayer, so that we all may be open to where the Lord may lead us in this endeavor.

Moreover, the diocese recognizes that only by broad consultation will we be able to arrive at a correct analysis of the facts. From this analysis, we will create a plan that takes into account the many concerns of all who form part of our school communities.

9. Is there a relationship between the necessity of this new vision for our schools and the consolidation of parishes?
There is no direct relationship between the consolidation of parishes and the emerging vision for our schools. At the same time, there are many parallels in the two processes. Each begins in prayer and each involves broad collaboration. As a result, a consensus emerges.

10. What are the ultimate benefits for children, parents, principals and faculty with this new model?
We believe that as a result of this process we will have schools that have more resources at their disposal to ensure that more children will have access to Catholic education.

We believe that Catholic schools will be better positioned to attend to the diverse needs of our students and parents.

At the same time, we will be able to ensure that thriving Catholic schools will be better able to offer teachers and staff competitive compensation and benefits and remain vital institutions in our diocese for generations to come. . "

" Please note that the following does not mention St. Saviour's Elemenary because we are flush and fully enrolled:

NEWS
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF BROOKLYN
75 Greene Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11238 Office of the Vicar General
(718) 399-5995

For Immediate Release

Contact
Most Reverend Frank J. Caggiano, VG

Diocese Announces Final Decisions Regarding
Draft Reconfiguration Proposals

Beginning in January, 2009, the diocesan committee overseeing the school strategic planning process in Brooklyn and Queens entitled “Preserving the Vision” held more than 35 consultation meetings in every region of the Diocese of Brooklyn, to review the 29 draft proposals that were submitted for comment. An unprecedented amount of feedback and suggested revisions were received by the diocesan committee in the weeks that followed.

The committee subsequently reviewed all the feedback, adopted a number of revisions to its initial draft proposals and submitted its revised proposals to the Most Reverend Nicholas DiMarzio, Bishop of Brooklyn, for final approval.

After careful study and reflection, the Bishop made his final decisions and has authorized their publication.

* Eight elementary schools will close at the end of the current school year, in June, 2009. They are: Flatbush Catholic Academy (Bk), St. Vincent Ferrer School (Bk), Most Precious Blood School (Bk), St. Benedict Joseph Labre School (Qns), St. Catherine of Sienna School (Qns), St. Aloysius School (Qns), St. Ann School (Qns) and Blessed Sacrament School (Jackson Heights, Qns).
* St. Elizabeth Ann Seton School (Bk) will be permitted to reopen in September, 2009, and is invited to seek designation as a diocesan mission school.
* Our Lady of Perpetual Help School (Bk) will be permitted to remain open as a parochial school.
* In the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, Saint Jerome School, St. Therese of Lisieux School and St. Catherine of Genoa School will remain open as parochial schools while beginning a planning process to create a single, regional academy in September, 2010, that will utilize all three of their current sites.
* The Bishop has also accepted the alternative proposals offered by the leadership of Our Lady of Angels School (Bk) and St. Anthony of Padua School (Qns), seeking the conversion of these schools into independent Catholic academies. It is expected that these two new academies will open in September, 2009.
* In the Windsor Terrace section of Brooklyn, the proposed merger of Immaculate Heart of Mary School (Bk) and Holy Name School (Bk) will not occur in the upcoming school year. Instead, each school will remain as a parochial school while lay leaders from each parish will form a Task Force to bring these two school communities closer together.
* In Flushing, St. Michael School will remain open as a parochial school while Mary’s Nativity School will be the site for a new Catholic academy to open in September, 2009.
* Three parochial schools accepted the invitation to become Catholic academies. They are Our Lady of Grace School (Qns) which will reopen in September, 2009 as Ave Maria Catholic Academy, St. Anastasia School (Qns) which will reopen in September, 2009 as Divine Wisdom Catholic Academy, and Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal School (Qns) which will reopen in September, 2009 as Notre Dame Catholic Academy of Ridgewood.

On Thursday evening, February 12, 2009, Bishop DiMarzio made an Internet-based presentation, addressing the faithful of Brooklyn and Queens regarding “Preserving the Vision”. His remarks are available at three Internet sites: (1) the diocesan website (www.dioceseofbrooklyn.org); (2) the website dedicated to Preserving the Vision (www.csptv.org); and (3) YouTube (title: Preserving the Vision).

“Change is never easy. Sometimes, it is even painful. My thoughts and prayers are with the students, parents, and teachers whose schools will be consolidated in June. I want to assure you that we will do everything we can to assure that your child finds a seat in the school of your choice,” said Most Reverend Nicholas DiMarzio of the Diocese of Brooklyn.

The Bishop concluded his Internet presentation to the people of the Diocese of Brooklyn with the following words: “My friends, we have begun a new chapter in the life of our schools. The next few years will bring exciting innovations, additional programs and the birth of new, quality academies that will pass on the vision of Catholic education for generations to come! Together, let us resolve to begin this new chapter in Catholic school education together.” "

" Maybe if Mr Flanagan never said 'Children Lie", maybe if he didn't belittled a child for wearing "last years shoes", maybe if her were man enough to walk up to the pickers outside the church or an ailing Bishop's Offfice and said I" thank you for your support but this is not the time or the PLACE" . Maybe if he insisted for the sake of the CHILDREN, the ones he so adores, that they be sent home & not participate in such actions...Maybe then others would give him an ounce of respect.. Maybe there are just too many things to ask for from one small"man". "

" Maybe our new DRE will actually be competent to do her job and not have to send letters apologizing for having negatively impacted the experience of the chidren's First Communion....sorry Rita, you can post under any name you like but you still couldn't do your job....and to think you were paid a salary too "

" While I give cedit to James Flanagan for fighting for his right to continue as principal at SSE, there are a few things I just don't understand. As principal of a Catholic school, his main concern is the education of the children and for them to be taught how to lead a christian life not only in school but also within their community. What puzzles me is how can this man allow these people (protesters, including children) to do his dirty work in front of a church especially during mass. Even more outrageous, he stands across the street encouraging such behavior. This not only makes him look like a coward, it appear as though SS parish is not at the top of his priority list..As a christian educator how can James Flanagan stand by & condone the badmouthing of a Catholic priest by his supporters? He surely sees how all the protesting, mudslinging, bickering & dirt digging via websites/blogs/emails has hurt the parish and the community. This is a terrible example to be setting for children & the christian community as a whole, regardless of the issues or who anyone thinks is right or wrong. Perhaps Mr. Flanagan should give up the fight, put an end to the protesting, seek employment elsewhere, walk away with dignity & hope and pray the school and the parish may begin a healing process.. "

" Slope Hope...you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that this all happened solely due to the actions of Father Murphy...perhaps Father Murphy should realize the error he has made, the damage his decision has caused to his Parish, offer Mr. Flanagan a new contract for next year and actually meet with his parisioners now (and not in mid September) in order to begin a healing process. After all, he is our Pastor and should be concerned about all of his parishioners and not a select few. "

" So Father Murphy should give the protestes what they want...Wouldn't that be giving a spoiled brat what they want in order to end a temper tamtrum? Ummmm great parenting skills some of you are exhibiting.......Do you walk around your office throwing temper tamtrums or wearing oaktag signs around your neck everytime your boss does something you don't agree with??? "

" The parish is running a serious deficit, yet it decides to pay around $40,000 - $50,000 for a "business manager" and a DRE who just happen to not even be St. Saviour parishioners but friends of Fr. Murphs Smurfs. I assume you must take incompetence lying down or are getting some of the $$. As someone who used to give a lot of money to the parish, I want every dime paid to the pastor's friends returned to the religious mission of the parish. Now, the only financially sound part of the parish, SSES, is going to be under control of another Smurf. "

" Murphs Smurfs....finally an appropriate team name. So Mr. Flanagan should just accept the injustice and go away but Father Murphy should not have to acknowledge his error and the damage it has caused to the Parish. Seems fair in your little smurf world but thankfully most don't agree with you. "

" Justice in the work place is important to all American businesses. But a Roman Catholic employee should be treated even more in a Christian way. After the Diocese found Mr. Flanagan's contract rights were violated, the pastor should have respected the decision, looked in the mirror and saw it was clear that he handled this wrongly. Instead he abused his authority and despite the findings of the Diocese rammed his decision through - the result is his, not the fault of M. Nagle's, not Bishop DiMarzio (whose office thanked us for bringing further issues to light), SSES parishioners, not Holy Child Jesus parishioners, not NET TV, not Jim Flanagan's -- but the pastors. Those standing against this decision reflect Roman Catholic values. "

" Ritch I would love some of my hard earned tuition returned to me as reimbusement for all the hours the president of the Home School Board put in babysiting classes while her sister performed her church duties on the school's clock....By the way, word on the street is that Maura Laurenzen's palms can not be greased but I guess protesters already heard since they have been paving the sidewalks so much. Hallelujah, spring cleaning is always a good thing..Eliminate the negatives accentuate the positives.... "

" Murphs smurfs teammate.....you seem to have more of a problem with the home school board president, her sister Chrissy and her mother. What's the matter Bernadette, you still carrying a grudge ? "

" John H.....You of all people should know the #1 rule, people are innocent until proven guilty... "

" Court Jester.....I thought the number one rule was to love one another. I guess the smurfs are not as righteous as they claim to be. Or are you just self righteous ? "

" Mr. Flanagan has not nor will he condone the picketing. He asked us to stop very early on, but we chose to continue the public efforts for justice to be served. I have never forced my child to do anything. My Christian values are not challenged. I am not lacking in morality. What I am lacking is a decent understanding of how someone can dismiss another person without following the proper procedures. What I am confused about is how supporters for the employer can feel justified in questioning not just our parenting but our devotion to Christ. NO ONE has the right to do that but Christ. Blogs are just convenient, nasty places for people to say whatever they want about whoever they want. Mr. Flanagan has NEVER stolen from the school. For anyone to imply that is disgraceful. I've never said anything bad about Ms. Lorenzen, but I did question her access to the job. I was at the meeting where the Finance Committee, she was a member, attempted to outrageously raise the tuition. You slam the followers of Mr. Flanagan and some of our side have slammed you. None of that makes this situation any better. If Mr. Flanagan had gotten the one more year that he asked for, a proper transition could have been made for a new principal. But no communication, no decent answers, everyone getting a different story.... How does this help the parents feel good about Fr. Murphy's decision? It doesn't. And unless you were put in that position, you can't possibly comment. But I am sure you will. "

" It's evident that many Mr.Flanagan supporters are upset that this is no longer a one-sided story...Now that every blog out there are has comments for both sides it has turned to a "convnient nasty place to say whatever you want"! ! Yet it was Mr. Flanagan supporters who originally created and/or advertised these blogs for people to read. The comments regarding Mr. Flanagan are based on fact via first hand experience. We did not ask friends in position & access who have nothing to do with the school, church or community to dig deep into Father Murphy's past. That alone in enough to question your christian values. As a chruch goer it is rather disturbing to see young children spending thier summer vacations this way. It is also disturbing when the elderly have had difficulty accessing the church on Sunday or worse are afraid to attend Mass, all because of you and your tactics. Since Mr. Flanagan supposedly asked you to stop and you didn't - leaves one to ask is this really about Mr. Flanagan you are protesting??? "

" The St. Saviour Preservation Society blog has provided links to all these forums of debate. Debate means two sides. You say we stink. We say you stink. We've collected data and presented it and now folks can decide what is right. Things about Father Murphy's past have come to the surface, and so with due diligence we pursue the truth. That seems appropriate seeing as our church and school are in his hands. http://stsaviours.wordpress.com/
This open debate is also clearly illustrated by Only The Blog Knows Brooklyn which is run by a friend of the new principal candidate. The arguments are there warts and all. http://onlytheblogknowsbrooklyn.typepad.com/
Let the truth set us free. "

" Despite collecting data (digging down into someone's past) , and presenting it (bringing it to the surface), true cream will always rise to the top. "

" So Mom....did you believe your son wasn't worthy as well ? "

" There's a fine line between due diligence and a WITCH HUNT........ "

" in our presidents own words, " I believe the actions of Fr. Murphy were just STUPID" and in the words of the old crack addict Rodney King " can't we all just get along" We know Mr Flanagan will not be coming back, he will however be suing the school and probably win. Where does this money come fom??? The issue is not to save Flanagan because that issue is dead and burried. Now is the time to curb the spending of Park Slope's own Paris Hilton D. Murphy from spending all of our Church and School Funds on senseless things such as a speaker system for church basement. The Parish and the Council should decide together what is needed for those who are active . Not just the casual Catholics who make it 3 masses a year and have big mouths and wallets. "

" I couldn't help but notice appalling spelling and grammatical errors on some of the picketer's signs. Never mind the hideous penmanship. If you're going to protest (and shame on those of you who have dragged your children into this), could you at least not make yourselves look semi-literate in the process? "

" It's obvious the children are actually forced into making, wearing & displaying their own signs...Shame on those parents indeed.. "

" Perhaps the name of the school, at least? "

" Wow....after a week of no hostility, Rita Lavin returns from her vacation and all of a sudden the nasty comments start again. To think Father Murphy asked two of the protesting parents to try to convince people to stop being so hostile and here it was his own little lap/bull dog who is responsible. Welcome Rita. Hope your enjoyed your time away. I know we did. "

" And being called " Park Slope's own Paris Hilton" (July 24) is a good thing? "

" Hi Folks, I just happened on this page while searching for something on google, and I was absolutely fascinated with this discourse back and forth. I am currently a "lapsed catholic" but remember enough about the church to know that it was never a democracy, and generally the pastor is in charge--more like a monarchy.

I was so interested, that I read all of the other links concerning this sad story and I have to say that I think (as an outside observer) that the protesters are really not doing anything useful at this point, other than making a bad situation worse, and making certain that the new principal will have a terrible time leading the school in her new position. By this protesting, the parents are inadvertently teaching their children that the new principal is somehow worse that the old one, and that the pastor does not care about them or their school. Children will pick up on the hostility that has clearly been demonstrated here and in other forums I have read, and that is especially damaging, for both the school and for the church as a whole. Christianity is usually about turning the other cheek, and no good can come from trying to undermine a pastor's decision.

While the pastor may have made a poor decision in not allowing the old principal to continue in his position and allow for a smooth transition for the sake of the children, my sense is that there must have been a very big reason that the principal had to be let go at this point--contracts can be very difficult to sort out, and perhaps there were extenuating circumstances that can not be revealed for any number of reasons. While cronyism could be one reason, it would be awfully foolish of this pastor to bring such heat and ire upon himself just to protect or enrich one or two people (including himself).

On the face of it, the balance of a smooth transition, and the better outcome of waiting another year for the old principal's retirement, does seem to outweigh the negatives of turning the entire school and parish community into factions of pro and con. All this-- for the sake of one or two personal jobs? I can't believe that one man would be that foolish. I am inclined to think that there must be more to this story that probably never will be uncovered given the church's long reputation for secrecy and hidden agendas.

The protesters at this point have two choices. They should stop right now and get used to the status quo that the church has imposed on them (and this is not the first time the church has ever done this to people) OR they can vote with their feet and pull their children out of the school. Nothing will come of this continued protesting and arguing about motives, pastoral shenanigans, and hidden agendas.

This principal, for better or worse is gone. There is no way that will ever get undone, given the church's policies of "my way or the highway". It is time for people to move forward and either accept it, or leave the school, or even leave the parish. That is a language that the church does understand, and there is no reason to drop money in a place where you don't feel welcome. Brooklyn is the borough of churches, and there is always someone else down the street happy to welcome you.

Good Luck to the new principal, and may God bless her and the children because they will need all the help they can get thanks to this damaging culture of protest. A sad situation that needs to stop. Please consider it. "

" Hear, Hear to Interested Agnostic "

" Interested agnostic....thankfully many parents and parishioners of Saint Saviour do believe that we are doing something useful, which is standing up for our children, our parish and to right an egregious wrong. I find it odd that a lapsed Catholic would believe that no good could come from undemining a pastor's decision when the decision was wrong and not in the best interest of our children and parish. And why you believe third and fourth generation parishioners should leave their parish because of a wrong decision made by a pastor who is in his fifth year of his six year term at Saint Saviour is beyond me. I guess it may be explained by your thinly veiled bias revealed in your comment concerning the "damaging culture of protest" "

" Joseph - what you see as useful, others see as divisive and tiresome. Maybe things will settle down at St Savioiur's in the next year or so but as far as I'm concerned, you all are the reason we've decided not to pursue sending our kids to the school. We don't think they need to be subjected to the inevitable fallout from YOUR side's tiresome attacks and mud slinging, Way to go. "

" Hear Hear - I assume you are the same person threatening to not put his kids in the school on all of the other blogs. This school is full, and threats like that don't mean anything and you are transparently trying to make a connection that unless we all bow down to Murphy all will go terribly wrong - I'm sure you live your life like that but I do not. And the people standing up for the school are the volunteers who make it all happen, not your precious pastor who can't be bothered to even show up but needed to fill this post with another friend and them drive off in his new 2009 Acura. The numbers speak for themselves - look at the Diocese website - it is a pathetic tactic to pretend to find this on Google, and then make useless observations under "agnostic" when the facts are not in dispute and are public record. The pastor's stupidity and ignorance of what an Academy is are in print by Catholic news agencies. So, pretending you are some person new to the situation is pathetic - the situation gets worse each day as the news drips out - more failures and misrepresentations by the pastor - more fake posters pretending they are agnostic. What happened to our beautiful Church and School? "

" If you are so good with Google, why not look at the public record and then you won't have to waste our time with useless statements like "I'm sure the pastor had good reasons." The other schools in the cluster can't even stay open, and he is in print not knowing what an Academy is. Please do your research before wasting all of our time. "

" hear hear....so now Rita, you are pretending to have kids that you aren't going to send to Saint Saviour....you are so tricky....almost had us all fooled....not "

" John, you are proving yourself to be nothing less than obtuse. Is it really so unfathomable to you that you and your pals have contributed greatly to destroying the reputation of a school that once seemed like an attractive option? Here. Let me spell it out for you. "We have decided not to pursue sending our children to the school" means, in plain English - we were considering it for children who would be entering First Grade in 2010. They are not currently in the school. We've crossed St Saviour off our list. I don't want to have to deal with parents like you, nor do I want my kids to be subjected to the ugliness that you and your pals have perpetuated. You can't move on. You're like a bunch of obnoxious cry babies and your actions are worse at this point than any contract termination. In many ways I see this as a blessing in disguise. I won't have to deal with a bunch of crazed small minded dimwits who can't figure out how to pick up the pieces and move forward. Enjoy your crusade. "

" Hear Hear - once again you resort to name calling - and it's interesting Fr. Murphy also called those parents with who dared to challenge him part of a Crusade as well. As for you, how many times do you want to say you do not want to send your kids to a school? Number one, who cares, this is not about individual kids, it's about the destruction of the best school in the cluster and arguably in Brooklyn for the sake of a petty pastor wanting to give his friend a job. No one believes you are not putting kids in the school. This is just another of Murf's Smurfs once again having nothing to offer but incompetence and division. "

" Hear What.....I wouldn't have expected anything less from Rita. After all, her best qualities are being divisive, name calling, lying and ruining our children's sacraments. I guess that is why Father Murphy must have thought it was a manna from heaven when she agreed to accept the position of Director of Religious Education. "

" James H: judging from all your posts you seem to want to pin the numerous negative comments regarding Mr. Flanagan on one person...Rita. One can plainly see it's not just one person who's in favor of Father Murphy' decision. We give you an A for effort. "

" Seriously. John H - would love to meet you in person to prove to you I'm not Rita. Can I assume your picket sign will be the one with scrawled handwriting and poor grammar? "

" hear hear....perhaps if you actually posted using a real name we wouldn't believe you were Rita. Apparently all of the people who like to post negative comments about Mr. Flanagan went on vacation either with or at the same time as Rita. Go figure. "

" I guess it is pretty clear no one was really posting about putting their kids in the school or was an "agnostic" ending their post with "God Bless" -- pretty lame even for a Murph Smurf - Seeing that a Murph Smurf can't even spell "Saviour" correctly on the church website is no surprise to me either. "

" Oh, for the love of Mc Dermott, John "H", Will you please stop your nonsense, once and for all. Your pettiness is as abrasive as an Emery board. "