Boro prepares for fall’s swine flu cases
By Anna Gustafson
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| Metropolitan Funeral Directors Association Director Martin Kasdan addresses individuals in Forest Hills last week about a possible swine flu surge this fall. Photo by Anna Gustafson |
City officials are bracing for a surge of swine flu cases this fall and funeral home directors need to be prepared to accommodate a possible related 50,000 to 85,000 deaths, the director of the Metropolitan Funeral Directors Association told a gathering of funeral home representatives in Forest Hills last week.
“As funeral directors, we really need to know what we’re about to face,” Martin Kasdan said. “When swine flu comes back, it could possibly be devastating.”
About 15 officials from area funeral homes attended the meeting sponsored by the MetFDA at Schwartz Brothers in Forest Hills Aug. 6. The MetFDA is holding four meetings in the city and one in Westchester this month to better prepare funeral homes for a possible increase in deaths as well as a rise in the number of sick and absent employees.
MetFDA officials said they were also relaying information from the meetings to city agencies, including the city Health Department and the medical examiner’s office, with which they have been working in preparation for a potential second wave of swine flu.
Swine flu, otherwise known as H1N1, first hit the city in May in a group of St. Francis Preparatory students in Fresh Meadows. The outbreak occurred after the students had arrived home from a trip to Mexico, where the World Health Organization said the global pandemic originated.
As of July, more than 900 New Yorkers had been hospitalized with H1N1 and 47 had died, including two Queens residents, according to city statistics.
Flushing resident Mitchell Wiener, an assistant principal at IS 238 in Hollis, became the city’s first swine flu casualty May 17. A second unnamed woman from Queens died from swine flu May 24, according to the city.
City residents continue to come down with H1N1, but the numbers have continually decreased since the spike of cases in May, health officials said.
“The Health Department monitors influenza-like illnesses every day in New York City,” said city Health Commissioner Thomas Farley. “While every hospitalization is concerning and every death is a tragedy, our surveillance data indicate that the number of people newly infected is declining.”
The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, which translates into an additional 52,000 to 86,000 deaths in the city over a three-month period, Kasdan said.
“It’s mind-boggling,” Kasdan said of the possible death rate. “Is the CDC right? Who knows — hopefully not. But you need to be prepared.”
The potential upswing in fatalities poses a wide array of questions for city officials and funeral directors, such as where to store bodies, how to hold funerals in a climate where swine flu is passed easily from person to person and how many extra supplies will be needed.
“You may have to wait for funerals because the family is sick or until the cemetery says they’re able to do the burial,” Kasdan said. “You might have to store bodies longer.”
Kasdan said the city medical examiner is already looking into possibly using vacant city buildings to store bodies, and the city has contracted for a unit to be built in Germany that will handle hundreds of bodies.
Reach reporter Anna Gustafson by e-mail at agustafson@cnglocal.com or by phone at 718-229-0300, Ext. 174.
“As funeral directors, we really need to know what we’re about to face,” Martin Kasdan said. “When swine flu comes back, it could possibly be devastating.”
About 15 officials from area funeral homes attended the meeting sponsored by the MetFDA at Schwartz Brothers in Forest Hills Aug. 6. The MetFDA is holding four meetings in the city and one in Westchester this month to better prepare funeral homes for a possible increase in deaths as well as a rise in the number of sick and absent employees.
MetFDA officials said they were also relaying information from the meetings to city agencies, including the city Health Department and the medical examiner’s office, with which they have been working in preparation for a potential second wave of swine flu.
Swine flu, otherwise known as H1N1, first hit the city in May in a group of St. Francis Preparatory students in Fresh Meadows. The outbreak occurred after the students had arrived home from a trip to Mexico, where the World Health Organization said the global pandemic originated.
As of July, more than 900 New Yorkers had been hospitalized with H1N1 and 47 had died, including two Queens residents, according to city statistics.
Flushing resident Mitchell Wiener, an assistant principal at IS 238 in Hollis, became the city’s first swine flu casualty May 17. A second unnamed woman from Queens died from swine flu May 24, according to the city.
City residents continue to come down with H1N1, but the numbers have continually decreased since the spike of cases in May, health officials said.
“The Health Department monitors influenza-like illnesses every day in New York City,” said city Health Commissioner Thomas Farley. “While every hospitalization is concerning and every death is a tragedy, our surveillance data indicate that the number of people newly infected is declining.”
The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, which translates into an additional 52,000 to 86,000 deaths in the city over a three-month period, Kasdan said.
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The potential upswing in fatalities poses a wide array of questions for city officials and funeral directors, such as where to store bodies, how to hold funerals in a climate where swine flu is passed easily from person to person and how many extra supplies will be needed.
“You may have to wait for funerals because the family is sick or until the cemetery says they’re able to do the burial,” Kasdan said. “You might have to store bodies longer.”
Kasdan said the city medical examiner is already looking into possibly using vacant city buildings to store bodies, and the city has contracted for a unit to be built in Germany that will handle hundreds of bodies.
Reach reporter Anna Gustafson by e-mail at agustafson@cnglocal.com or by phone at 718-229-0300, Ext. 174.
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cr wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:30 AM:
" Govt doesn't intend to do the right thing, or it would have been telling the public to look at pandemicflu.gov every week since it went up Oct. 2005 because of deadly H5N1 Alert .
(H5N1 is still being fought and Contained, but, news not getting here due to, "political and economic pressures" - now, nations like Indonesia and Egypt -and probably China- have both "bird flu" & "swine flu patients in the same hospitals, the same wards - how long before another 'novel' virus is allowed to "sneak" up on us?)
No travel restrictions, no entry quarantines, no proper case surveillance, gag orders on what case/death data since July 7th NYC doctors and 'Hellth' officials have.
The future is going to think leaders were very stupid or very evil..
1918 "Spanish flu" all over again: same ages dying;
and, same short-sighted Censorship and Propaganda included.
Didn't learn from History; now doomed to repeat it.
Spokespeople would be calling, 1918-1920 "Spanish Flu" "mild" too; the av. CFR was only 2% and 98% 'recovered' (though 'averages' don't say enough about some native settlements nor poor neighborhoods wiped off the map, nor that pregnant women infected died at rates between 23% and 71%.
8% of the US swine flu/H1N1 dead are pregnant women, though they are only 1% of our population.)
VP Biden was honest about the need to avoid enclosed public spaces to reduce chance of infection and look what happened. (While he was at it, he should have said, Stock your pantries with stuff you can eat in a power outage, and make plans for if schools are dismissed for up to 12 weeks.)
Local govts, if they were ethical, would have formed -as was their First Task on their federal checklist, real "all-stakeholder" Pandemic (-specific: 'all hazards" does Not apply here; those are all very time-limited & outside help possible, unlike Panflu years) Preparedness Coordinating Committees, and, the originally- worded intent was to: include members of the public not usually allowed to shape emergency plans. -It was not supposed to be just,"rubber-stamp what 'Public Health'-which seems misnamed, says"-
(What DPHs said was, "We can't tell the public the facts we know, or they'll "panic".)
Lack of education & preparedness does Not prevent "panic"
(just makes officials' own lives easier up until Martial Law needs declaring).
Being unable to meet critical needs causes panic, as does not understanding what is a risk and what is not (especially after they find out the CDC was not using all the science facts giving guidance about "swine flu"- nor were others who parroted the scripted "risk kommunikation' message.)
Locals were supposed to make *workable* contingency preparations to cope with what disruptions are mentioned at pandemicflu.gov on what is now called the Family planning page, and, the Community planning page. (See 'Managing Mass Medical Care with Scarce Community Resources")
Also look up the April, 2007 , "Best Practices and Model Protocols" pandemic document from Dept of Homeland Security: because we didn't buy enough antivirals and lack vaccine manufacturing capacity, the public was supposed to be told to prepare in case, to save lives and not crash our medical systems and infrastructure,
DHS has to, "direct" the public to shelter at home, "for up to 90 days per wave".
(which the public can't do unless they get their priorities straight now and make sure they have "needs" covered before "wants". Sure they could have afforded it better if told to stock up after the state's panflu summit with HHS in 2006, but, even now, the public can get better prepared.
The govt is not going to bail the public out, so people better try.)
Here's what one county was telling it's citizens do you, and it still can help you:
GetPandemicReady.org
Thank you Anna Gustafson and Martin Kasdan. (Good luck.)
Now do an article about real pandemic Preparedess, and the planned -but-ditched when panflu turned up,
Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions;
so the mortuary surges -and lasting consequences to society and to our national security, don't have to be so horrible.
(A 'Spanish Flu' turned up, rather than 'Killer H5N1' - which they were in Alert for but never planned for:
H5N1 is 80 to 100% fatal untreated with an effective antiviral in time - H5N1 CFR was, "too hard"; so, govt's, "worst case" was only 2%CFR - and that's what turned up for, "sneaky" Firstwave, but, govt did not trigger appropriate Mitigation in April, nor now!)
Failing to close schools *proactively* isn't "closing" them at all, and will not save lives nor give any Mitigation;
it is just allowing children, staff and parents to fall vicitm until schools "crash".
No good in that.
It was know the CFR in Mexico was 2% in May (see "WHO weekly report for May 22") .
"Cat. 5 severity" community measures; "for up to 12 weeks per wave" should have been used, and need to be used this fall/winter.
Don't hold your breath for "vaccine" for panflu.
And "seasonal flu" is less than 10% of what's out there (and, one of the 3 strains mutated away from the vax already);
'cattle calls' for seasonal flu shots will probably just spread more Panflu than prevent unlikely seasonal flu ;
flu/panflu is contagious Before symptoms,
and Not all confirmed "swine flu" cases have a "fever".
(CDC has known that since May, too.)
Children can shed influenza virus for up to two weeks after onset. Immunocompromised people can shed even longer once infected.
It is only when there are few cases, and they get antivirals within 48 hours, and there's a staffed, supplied, ICU bed if they need one, that the "swine flu" CFR can be kept down.
The more sick, the worse outcomes;
look at Austraila South America, and the UK and Canada.
Count your local available ICU beds and vents right now.
Look at your first responders and healthcare workers (and teachers) who do not have safe PPE.
Their lives and futures are worth more than the cost of respirators.
(Ask the SARS survivors; who never got their lung health back after working the hospitals with deliberately inadquate PPE during that crisis.
Do we buy soldiers cheap token armor and helmets that won't protect them -or worse change the regs and claim they are not needed at all- and lie to them; just to get them to show up in an invasion of the US? When we had years of warning and money to buy the right equipment? "Just hope it doesn't happen" wasn't an acceptable plan.)
Look up the alleged leaked "CDC Director's Update Brief" for May 20 on Wikileaks, and the one for July 17 on cryptome.org.
(the latter has the CFRs by age groups for the US:
ages 25 to 49 = 1.50%CFR
ages 50 to 64 = 3.33%CFR)
Look at historical charts; 1918 Spring wave was 3 to 5 times smaller than the Autumn case spike that overwhelmed communities' medical & mortuary capabilities.
Keep the number of infections low; the govt modelled what an Unmitigated pandemic would do to the US , but, they are letting panflu 'sort us out' anyway, despite the long-term consequences to something that's targeting the ages working our critical infrastructures.
For daily News and discussion of preparedness issues take a look at,
"PFI Pandemic Flu Information Forum". "
(H5N1 is still being fought and Contained, but, news not getting here due to, "political and economic pressures" - now, nations like Indonesia and Egypt -and probably China- have both "bird flu" & "swine flu patients in the same hospitals, the same wards - how long before another 'novel' virus is allowed to "sneak" up on us?)
No travel restrictions, no entry quarantines, no proper case surveillance, gag orders on what case/death data since July 7th NYC doctors and 'Hellth' officials have.
The future is going to think leaders were very stupid or very evil..
1918 "Spanish flu" all over again: same ages dying;
and, same short-sighted Censorship and Propaganda included.
Didn't learn from History; now doomed to repeat it.
Spokespeople would be calling, 1918-1920 "Spanish Flu" "mild" too; the av. CFR was only 2% and 98% 'recovered' (though 'averages' don't say enough about some native settlements nor poor neighborhoods wiped off the map, nor that pregnant women infected died at rates between 23% and 71%.
8% of the US swine flu/H1N1 dead are pregnant women, though they are only 1% of our population.)
VP Biden was honest about the need to avoid enclosed public spaces to reduce chance of infection and look what happened. (While he was at it, he should have said, Stock your pantries with stuff you can eat in a power outage, and make plans for if schools are dismissed for up to 12 weeks.)
Local govts, if they were ethical, would have formed -as was their First Task on their federal checklist, real "all-stakeholder" Pandemic (-specific: 'all hazards" does Not apply here; those are all very time-limited & outside help possible, unlike Panflu years) Preparedness Coordinating Committees, and, the originally- worded intent was to: include members of the public not usually allowed to shape emergency plans. -It was not supposed to be just,"rubber-stamp what 'Public Health'-which seems misnamed, says"-
(What DPHs said was, "We can't tell the public the facts we know, or they'll "panic".)
Lack of education & preparedness does Not prevent "panic"
(just makes officials' own lives easier up until Martial Law needs declaring).
Being unable to meet critical needs causes panic, as does not understanding what is a risk and what is not (especially after they find out the CDC was not using all the science facts giving guidance about "swine flu"- nor were others who parroted the scripted "risk kommunikation' message.)
Locals were supposed to make *workable* contingency preparations to cope with what disruptions are mentioned at pandemicflu.gov on what is now called the Family planning page, and, the Community planning page. (See 'Managing Mass Medical Care with Scarce Community Resources")
Also look up the April, 2007 , "Best Practices and Model Protocols" pandemic document from Dept of Homeland Security: because we didn't buy enough antivirals and lack vaccine manufacturing capacity, the public was supposed to be told to prepare in case, to save lives and not crash our medical systems and infrastructure,
DHS has to, "direct" the public to shelter at home, "for up to 90 days per wave".
(which the public can't do unless they get their priorities straight now and make sure they have "needs" covered before "wants". Sure they could have afforded it better if told to stock up after the state's panflu summit with HHS in 2006, but, even now, the public can get better prepared.
The govt is not going to bail the public out, so people better try.)
Here's what one county was telling it's citizens do you, and it still can help you:
GetPandemicReady.org
Thank you Anna Gustafson and Martin Kasdan. (Good luck.)
Now do an article about real pandemic Preparedess, and the planned -but-ditched when panflu turned up,
Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions;
so the mortuary surges -and lasting consequences to society and to our national security, don't have to be so horrible.
(A 'Spanish Flu' turned up, rather than 'Killer H5N1' - which they were in Alert for but never planned for:
H5N1 is 80 to 100% fatal untreated with an effective antiviral in time - H5N1 CFR was, "too hard"; so, govt's, "worst case" was only 2%CFR - and that's what turned up for, "sneaky" Firstwave, but, govt did not trigger appropriate Mitigation in April, nor now!)
Failing to close schools *proactively* isn't "closing" them at all, and will not save lives nor give any Mitigation;
it is just allowing children, staff and parents to fall vicitm until schools "crash".
No good in that.
It was know the CFR in Mexico was 2% in May (see "WHO weekly report for May 22") .
"Cat. 5 severity" community measures; "for up to 12 weeks per wave" should have been used, and need to be used this fall/winter.
Don't hold your breath for "vaccine" for panflu.
And "seasonal flu" is less than 10% of what's out there (and, one of the 3 strains mutated away from the vax already);
'cattle calls' for seasonal flu shots will probably just spread more Panflu than prevent unlikely seasonal flu ;
flu/panflu is contagious Before symptoms,
and Not all confirmed "swine flu" cases have a "fever".
(CDC has known that since May, too.)
Children can shed influenza virus for up to two weeks after onset. Immunocompromised people can shed even longer once infected.
It is only when there are few cases, and they get antivirals within 48 hours, and there's a staffed, supplied, ICU bed if they need one, that the "swine flu" CFR can be kept down.
The more sick, the worse outcomes;
look at Austraila South America, and the UK and Canada.
Count your local available ICU beds and vents right now.
Look at your first responders and healthcare workers (and teachers) who do not have safe PPE.
Their lives and futures are worth more than the cost of respirators.
(Ask the SARS survivors; who never got their lung health back after working the hospitals with deliberately inadquate PPE during that crisis.
Do we buy soldiers cheap token armor and helmets that won't protect them -or worse change the regs and claim they are not needed at all- and lie to them; just to get them to show up in an invasion of the US? When we had years of warning and money to buy the right equipment? "Just hope it doesn't happen" wasn't an acceptable plan.)
Look up the alleged leaked "CDC Director's Update Brief" for May 20 on Wikileaks, and the one for July 17 on cryptome.org.
(the latter has the CFRs by age groups for the US:
ages 25 to 49 = 1.50%CFR
ages 50 to 64 = 3.33%CFR)
Look at historical charts; 1918 Spring wave was 3 to 5 times smaller than the Autumn case spike that overwhelmed communities' medical & mortuary capabilities.
Keep the number of infections low; the govt modelled what an Unmitigated pandemic would do to the US , but, they are letting panflu 'sort us out' anyway, despite the long-term consequences to something that's targeting the ages working our critical infrastructures.
For daily News and discussion of preparedness issues take a look at,
"PFI Pandemic Flu Information Forum". "
steveb wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:09 PM:
" I think the guy messed up on his #s. If 2% of swine flu folks die, and he thinks 70,000 might die in the fall, then he's thinking 3.5million people get swine flu this fall. He messed up his #s. Jeez. "
Spanish Flu wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:44 PM:
" I truly hope he messed the numbers BUT The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1.
2% was the death rate in the 1918 pandemic.
Can anyone confirm the numbers?! "
2% was the death rate in the 1918 pandemic.
Can anyone confirm the numbers?! "
Morticians Militia wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:27 PM:
" They will soon be INFECTING us with the virus, so what do you expect? The point is to bring down overcrowding. "
New World Order wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:42 PM:
" This is nothing but a bioweapon and depopulation tool of the world elite. DO NOT TAKE THEIR VACCINE. Fight the new world order. DON'T TREAD ON ME. "
wake up wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:46 PM:
" infowars.com get real news about what's really going on we've all been being lied to for a very long time "
guy wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:09 PM:
" Look at the last line...dont you think it is rather odd that the city would contract with Germany as a place to "handle" Americans who die!! WTFO?? "
Dirt Dealer wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:45 PM:
" This is being called a pandemic? Less than 500 people have died from swine flu world wide.
Normal flu kills around 250,000 people a year!
Calm down, think. "
Normal flu kills around 250,000 people a year!
Calm down, think. "
Eric wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:19 PM:
" "The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, ..."
where did they say this ? was it in a press release ? I googled it, and didn't find where it came from. Anybody know where they officialy said this ? "
where did they say this ? was it in a press release ? I googled it, and didn't find where it came from. Anybody know where they officialy said this ? "
Don Juan wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:06 AM:
" Go to www.infowars.com to get the truth. It's all a CDC scam to promote forced inoculations on Americans. This vaccine for H1N1 may not kill you, but you can expect that the vaccine for N3 or N5 will. Go to google and look up Americas detention camps, look up the FEMA coffins and the national cemetery burial vaults that's able to hold 4 caskets. It's all documented and is already approved by the government.
The UN and US have been preparing America for depopulation for several years now, by order of the WHO. Also look up those subjects on YouTube and see the videos.
Expect martial law to be declared soon. Expect the UN / WHO Codex Alimenious to come down the pike in December. If the flu shot doesn't kill us the Codex Alimentarious will. The FAO / WHO own report says that once the Codex is implemented worldwide, 3 BILLION people will die as a result. DSHEA Legislation is the only law blocking it. Although big Pharmaceuticals are lobbying Washiington to overturn that law right now.
We're dead, if we don't stop this corrupt activity. It's time for all American's to wake up. "
The UN and US have been preparing America for depopulation for several years now, by order of the WHO. Also look up those subjects on YouTube and see the videos.
Expect martial law to be declared soon. Expect the UN / WHO Codex Alimenious to come down the pike in December. If the flu shot doesn't kill us the Codex Alimentarious will. The FAO / WHO own report says that once the Codex is implemented worldwide, 3 BILLION people will die as a result. DSHEA Legislation is the only law blocking it. Although big Pharmaceuticals are lobbying Washiington to overturn that law right now.
We're dead, if we don't stop this corrupt activity. It's time for all American's to wake up. "
Carolyne wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:31 AM:
" One word...Eugenics. The real killer is in the vaccine. Read, don't watch the boob tube.
Infowars.com "
Infowars.com "
FEAR FACTOR wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM:
" Common sense says take a look at what is going in South America, where Autumn and Winter are currently happening. No a peep. All hype. BUT, that doesn't mean something won't be unleased by our beloved. "
davens wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:37 AM:
" I will not be getting this untested vaccine, every time I have had a flu vaccine I end up getting the flu and getting it worst then anyone around me that did not get the vaccine. I found a all natural product called Viralox last year and even when my husband caught the flu I did not get sick. So I will be stocking up on Viralox and hoping it works as well as it did before. Even my husband will be taking it this year. If you are looking for a alternative to the flu vaccine I would highly recommend you check this product out. Hope this helps some people. "
Jesus is Lord wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:38 PM:
" Watch "Endgame" by Alex Jones for free on Google Video. It was made in 2006 and he predicted what is now about to happen based on government documents. Infowars.com is a good site to get real news. But, of course, you need to use discernment and to your own research. Read your Bible and trust in Jesus Christ's payment for your sins. You will soon face a Holy God. I hope to see you all in Heaven. "
cr wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:05 PM:
" Confirming the numbers: just look:
"the WHO weekly report for May 22":
"Mexico= 2% CFR" overall.
See by age decades the fatality rate:
http://www.who.int/wer/2009/wer8421.
pdf p 2
"CDC Director's Update Brief" July 17
p 29
US CFRs by age groups:
http://cryptome.org/h1n1/cdc-071709.pdf
In case you haven't noticed, we do not have a free press anymore; certainly not when it comes to big things like Pandemic:
You want news from South America? try the,
"PFI Pandemic Flu Information Forum"
South America thread.
You missed a lot of news.
(And when it gets very bad anywhere, the reporting gets pressured to dry up.)
The virus is a threat, and H5N1 is still out there in humans; being Contained, but now, hospitals in places like Egypt, Indonesia (and China no doubt) have put "swine flu" and "bird flu" patients into the same hospitals -because they don't have enough isolation wards.
We don't have enough PPE for healthcare workers, nor antivirals for even one wave of pandemic, and not enough vaccine; it will be rationed.
Panflu is a real threat to everyone.
See if there's anything you might want to do now to be better prepared.
Use NezPerce Co.Idaho's Emergency Management's site (one the the few good uses of tax money for pandemic):
GetPandemicReady.org "
"the WHO weekly report for May 22":
"Mexico= 2% CFR" overall.
See by age decades the fatality rate:
http://www.who.int/wer/2009/wer8421.
pdf p 2
"CDC Director's Update Brief" July 17
p 29
US CFRs by age groups:
http://cryptome.org/h1n1/cdc-071709.pdf
In case you haven't noticed, we do not have a free press anymore; certainly not when it comes to big things like Pandemic:
You want news from South America? try the,
"PFI Pandemic Flu Information Forum"
South America thread.
You missed a lot of news.
(And when it gets very bad anywhere, the reporting gets pressured to dry up.)
The virus is a threat, and H5N1 is still out there in humans; being Contained, but now, hospitals in places like Egypt, Indonesia (and China no doubt) have put "swine flu" and "bird flu" patients into the same hospitals -because they don't have enough isolation wards.
We don't have enough PPE for healthcare workers, nor antivirals for even one wave of pandemic, and not enough vaccine; it will be rationed.
Panflu is a real threat to everyone.
See if there's anything you might want to do now to be better prepared.
Use NezPerce Co.Idaho's Emergency Management's site (one the the few good uses of tax money for pandemic):
GetPandemicReady.org "
Grace RN wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:33 PM:
" If they were talking about NY states-population approx 19.5 million people-using a case attack rate (CAR) of 50% and a case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.5% to 0.8% then these numbers (50-85,000 deaths-OVER A YEAR) are correct. The CDC's most recent CFR projections are 0.8% for this pandemic (which will go over span of 18 months to 2+ years, it must be noted) "
Mova wrote on Sep 5, 2009 2:07 PM:
" What is worse? The swine flu pandemic or the untested vaccine? Is there a viable alternative?
The answer is a resounding YES! Learn how Viralox can help defend against the seasonal flu - www.newlifehealthsolutions.com
Learn about your alternatives.
Be Informed. Be Well. "
The answer is a resounding YES! Learn how Viralox can help defend against the seasonal flu - www.newlifehealthsolutions.com
Learn about your alternatives.
Be Informed. Be Well. "
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